Welcome to the GNUAerospace TestPilot subreddit

Welcome to the Free World Citizen’s Air and Space Program.

I personally invite you to become an active citizen, and play an integral part in this revolution to fundamentally change the world of flight simulation, in the establishment of an sustainable, free and open source, flight simulation platform. To revolutionize flight training, and to engage in the testing of advanced aerospace technologies and vehicles which this initiative shall make possible.

Freedom with responsibility and mutual respect:

We hold Freedom to be the highest of values, and recognize that with freedom comes equal responsibility, not to allow our acts to infringe the rights or freedoms of others.

Personal attacks SHALL NOT be tolerated, and shall be responded to with a warning. A second attack SHALL result in banishment from the forum.


Postings in emails, blogs, and forums have launched many a conflict and controversy, where a person wrote on a subject with the “very best of intentions”, and their intentions were mis-interpreted. Be slow to anger, and never assume that what you have read was intended for harm. Test the poster’s intent thru dialog first.

We practice CITOKATE “Criticism Is The Only Known Antidote To Error” as a core principle.

Dr. David Brin, a famous science fiction author, is the originator of the term CITOKATE, and of the idea of the “Disputation Arena”


Dr. Brin invented the Holocene chat http://htyp.org/Holocene_Chat which is a patented computer program to automate the process of Disputation Arenas.

Sadly a web based manifestation of this concept does not yet exist, however we seek to replicate the ideals thru a manual process and leveraging the features available made possible through this forum.

Conflict, argument and debate are normal to the process of advancement of societies and technologies, and are key to cooperative and competitive working relationships. These are only productive when all of the participants are aligned to a common cause, embracing of constructive criticism, and always acting with the best of intentions.

To insure that they do not become personal and destructive, the following serve as guidelines and background information






The community must hold ALL of it’s participants accountable to these principles, and identify any speech which violates constructive practices identified within. It is expected that any logical fallacies in postings shall be identified and the offending speech edited by the originator. Especially the moderators comments.

Human beings are highly skilled at finding patterns in observations and interactions with others. Our brains assign probabilities based on past experience, to interpret the world in which we operate. Often, our brains assign a high probability pattern match to an observation or interaction which is entirely false, and where a simpler pattern is a better match (occams razor).

We all operate with these highly flawed “false perceptions of reality” of others and most especially of ourselves, which serve as the framework of our own perceived reality. Throughout all of human history, the greatest tragedies and atrocities were carried out by people serving what they perceived to be service to the “highest of ideals” and with “the very best of intentions”.

“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself – and you are the easiest person to fool.” – Richard Feynman

“For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled.” – Richard Feynman

You are your own worst enemy. It’s a well established fact. Self and mass delusion is the single greatest threat to human progress. Tragic mistakes are nearly all the direct result of self delusion. From the fatally flawed decisions of NASA management culture (normalization of deviance) as “common cause” for the destruction of both Space Shuttle’s Challenger and Columbia (exposed by Richard Feynman, Roger Boisjoly, Diane Vaughan), and the well publicized failures of markets, economies, banks, businesses, and governments both large and small.

The “wisdom of the crowd” many times is often greater that the “wisdom of the elites”. It is the isolated “delusional elites” in management, government, and education, shielded from criticism, and free of accountability which bring about widespread suffering and loss of life. Delusion leading to the destruction of wealth, careers, property, and even life itself is not punishable as a crime, as there is no established clear and knowing intent to defraud or to cause harm. “Delusion of the Crowd” (tragedy of the commons) is a key enabler to bring about widespread destruction in the submissive following of the edicts and established cultural norms of an isolated and delusional elite.

Nearly all evil is the result of an “unchallenged elite” operating with the “best of intentions” and believing it is serving a “noble cause” backed by a majority of submissive followers.

Embracing constructive criticism, holds us personally accountable to maintain a more accurate “model of truth” and “model of reality” which results in more successful cooperative and creative encounters, personal engagements, and better and more rationally formed decisions.

As an aid to healthy debate and argumentation, please use the “reputation voting” feature (lower right hand corner of postings) to up or down vote a forum posting which you believe to violate the principles of CITOKATE. State in a following posting in the same thread, a reference to the poster, a copy of the speech at issue, and that you took the action to upvote/downvote, and the reasons for doing so. Any speech committing a “logical fallacy” is especially to be challenged by any forum member, so that we may all operate in the light of truth and knowledge.http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html


As free world citizens, we accept the fact that there is “No Such Thing As A Free Lunch” as famously stated by Robert Heinlein and Milton Friedman. We must all take an active role, and shoulder the responsibility and burdens together, to bring about the primary goal of this effort, the establishment of an sustainable, free and open source, flight simulation platform. Freedom to tinker, to learn, to create, to build, to share, to teach are our shared core values.

The process is invisioned to be very reminiscent of the community “Barn Raisings” in early American history.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_raising

Trust with Transparency:

We believe in “radical transparency”, meaning “no secrets”, no private side discussions, and no NDAs!

Many forums require users to sign their posts with their real names, as this tends to reduce the amount of trollish behavior of people hiding behind an anonymous pseudonym. In the spirit of transparency, we also require all postings to be signed, and will provide a warning, and then delete any further posts not in compliance with the rules. Anyone observing a violation of this rule is asked to use the “reputation voting” feature to down mod the offender.

Coanda Aerospace Software pledges to make all activities, discussions, proposals related to GNU Aerospace TestPilot, transparent.

Any commercial activities in which Coanda engages with 3rd parties shall be fully disclosed, and any financial proceeds shall be 100% reinvested in the development of TestPilot.

Key principles and practices, as well as detailed subtopics of TestPilot shall be “pinned”, and ultimately become separate subtopics in the future.

Please see the Coanda Aerospace Software GmbH blog, where you shall find a copy of the press release of this initiative.


I look forward to this new and exciting partnership and the shared experiences we will have on the journey.

Greetings and very best regards!

Joseph Mangan

Coanda Aerospace Software GmbH

Vienna, Austria










3 thoughts on “Welcome to the GNUAerospace TestPilot subreddit

  1. Hi Joseph,

    Thank you for the great links to debate guidelines. Really interesting.

    I liked your small dissertation about constructive dialog and I share your view about crowd versus elites wisdom.

    I’ve read the Richard Feynman’s book about the Challenger and I see how enterprise/institutions can easily go wrong.

    I hope the best for your project.

    Cristóvão Sousa

  2. Hi, Joe,

    Thank you, for showing leadership. We need our computer flight simulator community to grow in both technology and relevance. In my opinion, your vision of a product with utility for manufacturers, flight training/proficiency, and education is right on the money. You propose compatibility with legacy assets such as scenery and aircraft from other simulator’s to protect the investment of current flight simulator users and to facilitate adoption of the product. You have proposed a crowd funding model because of the difficulty in funding for flight simulator projects. You also propose the simulator be web browser based, I’ll need a little education to understands that decision. I’m sure that I have omited other key features of the venture but that’s basically my understanding.

    Joe, I suggest you write a very concise description of the project, something like a mission statement, and maybe use it in the header of most web pages. I think, your communication style does not work for some people. You might solicit suggestions from people you trust.

    Please, tell us where the project stands right now?

    John Hottel

    • Hi John,

      Thank you very much for your feedback!

      Let me start by first responding to your question with regard to a why a web based flight simulator.
      The primary driver for moving to a web based model, is the large diversity of platforms that we will need to support,
      combined with the need to support continual evolution of the software to the latest version.

      Making updates transparent is critical to the continuing evolution of the product so that the user does not have to be
      concerned with the application of patches/drivers/tweaking etc.

      We fully expect that there will be a rapid transition from the Microsoft Windows Platform which is the root cause of the
      hassles of Microsoft Flight Simulator / Flight / X-Plane to platforms which optimize the performance of the application which
      are the in the “primary focus” of the user. We have far more control in these environments for excluding performance stealing background

      We are currently waiting on the guidance and rules from the SEC which is due in September, with regard to “Crowdfunding” (USA Jobs act) before
      launching our fundraising campaign.

      We anticipate launching the fundraising campaign in October, with source code to follow shortly thereafter.

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